17 Vanilla madagascariensis
Number: 3-633.72.07,
Clades: Vanilloideae, Orchidaceae, Orchidales, Liliidae, Lilianae, Angiospermae.
Introduction
They want to stay free, without a relationship. A relationship feels as having to adapt, being not honest to oneself. They want to be an individual and not give up themselves. At the other hand they have a deep need for love, being touch and children. They like to be together, also with the the other sex but without compromising oneself.
Mind
Desire: escape; freedom.
Image: to be in the jungle, free, escaped form men, without civilisation and con- formity, without computers and television.
They feel strength in being flexible.
Desire: love, touch, sex; to sty free.
Body
Head: headache. Stomach: nausea.
Discussion
Vanilla madagascariensis, Orchidaceae.
Provers: Prover 11, Prover 13, Prover 10.
The plant is endemic here; they went up to the stable first, then under a tree, which was too sunny for Prover 10.
After all, they found a nice place by compromise.
Women being beaten up by men? Women here are often beaten up.
Nice for massage; slap on the back.
Being strong and flexible at the same time (holding and manipulating the plant).
They were in the jungle escaping from their bad husband. They met this jungle girl. She was beautiful and wild, raised by animals, and wanted to come out of the jungle to marry, have children. The paradox was that the two women had wanted to enter the jungle; but also after some time, Prover 10 was lacking something, wanted to have children. The idea is: if you enter a partnership, you have to compromise. The jungle girl also had to compromise, she missed love and touch.
You can, have to bend, how much can you bend and not break (look at the plant), in a group or a relationship?
Headache; dull feeling in the beginning, the beating helped; lancinating pain from left ovary up to stomach.
How far can you go for this love, for this group?
Just live, do get married! It is all about adapting they say.
To begin with, it must be 633.
Where were you? In the jungle, so: 7 or 1? They escaped: Phase 7
Subphase?
Orchids like in a party scene, you do not commit yourself, because then you have to perform; Subphase 2; better stay free than to adapt 72. It is also a vine, so also Subphase 2.
Stage?
The Stage is not clear. The question is what did they do with the adapting.
Is it 5? or 7? Where was the learning? Is it 6? It is not dangerous, where did you have to be tough?
Prover 23 can imagine 7 to be right.
Proving Vanilla madgascarensis
Trituration proving, Nosy Be, Madagascar 27-9-2013 Provers: Magdelena, Prover 11, Prover 10.
The plant is very strong and flexible at the same time, Prover 11 and Magdelena feel very strong holding the plant like warriors.
We climb up the hill to look for a place and we take a place next to two men sawing, they are building our house, they respect us and we protect them. Being honoured is to be equal.
You can hurt men, women are not always the victim. We can not only hurt them emotionally but physically too. in Madagascar a lot of women are beaten by their men.
Prover 10 did not like the place we had chosen it was too sunny, she said every- body has a nice place but us.
The plant can bend its does not break when it yields. Its about finding compro- mise to not give in completely, but to make compromise
being too sweet being too nice.
Prover 11 is beating us with the plant and we like it.
Prover 11 is a bit scared of Prover 10, why is she not happy?, because it is too hot she tells us.
You have to be flexible, have to compromise.
Magdelena swatting; she is free; she does not have to compromise because she lives in the jungle alone fending for herself; she is free completely free, but still at some point she has to compromise; she has to come out of the jungle to experience the world.
Prover 10 and Prover 11 want to go into the jungle to escape the compromise; Magdelena wants to come out.
Magdelena does not understand why we would not defend ourselves.
Women beating men; out of control women, provocation and misunderstan- ding, helpless ness.
When really angry, no control over it so strong.
Anger just hitting out when you cant reach the other person emotionally or spi- ritually.
When one feels unheard; feels misunderstood.
Loss of control, helpless.
Why do we even need another person?
To reflect, to grow, to learn to touch, to love.
Without the other we would have no one to define ourselves with.
How to learn to live together without beating each other up emotionally, physically, verbally,
and keeping our autonomy, and getting what we want; otherwise we are just adapting and compromising to keep the other; is this love?
How to express what we want.
If we just see to the others needs; then our needs are met; if everyone just sees to everyone else’s needs.
Communication is important for compromising
To be honest about what you want.
But you are not always honest you adapt because you do not want to fall out of the group.
Prover 11 has a headache, Prover 10 has a pain in her left ovary.
Relationships, are they a gain or a loss ?
How can you bend and not break?
Situation, overview; and find the best solution for both.
Bend so much for a relationship that you break. You are the only one who can put yourself first. How far to bend, to know when its enough.
Magdelena about to enter into marriage, into a new group; how to do this right without breaking; how to honour her love of the other and the love of herself; how to find the right flexibility in the marriage.
Conclusion
This plant is all about
- finding a compromise without compromising yourself.
- to stay in a group or in a relationship takes flexibility, strength, not to break; in order to maintain a relationship one must be flexible but never to the point of breaking where you ’snap’, lose control, get into anger violence, emotional or physical.
- to maintain a relationship one has to be flexible to the others needs whilst never losing sight of your own, in a group also, the group needs to consider all its members.
a group is a combined compromise, not a dictatorship.
An overview of the groups needs; discussion, consideration, yet not adapting out of fear of being rejected from group.
Equality.
Regardless of gender or age etc.
Standing as an individual yet being part of a group.
Never being beaten into a compromise.
How far will you be able to bend for a relationship without breaking ?